Naked heels

[Carr]

Reaker, bro, Gameness comes ONLY from its breeding, if you have it, you must keep in by breeding no dunghill into your line. Gameness is a inherited characteristic., it is only achieved by preserving that first among all other characteristics
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[Giang Chau]

I agree. To consistantly get quality game birds you must stick to that characteristic in breeding. Now you must remember also just cause parents are game that not all the offspring will be what you expected. If they were culling would be unnessessary. This brings me back to my point on where you set your goals. If you had the best pair which was ring proven and truely tested and paired them to breed. then the chicks you prize of your fabulous pair would be in your mind as top. Yes, seems like it till you're beaten down time and time again cause each time you was taken down you made an excuse to cover your own breeding mistakes. The greatest excuse in the world, no matter how many people you fool, willnot get you better birds. Good, proven, true game stock and careful time taking and testing breedings is the only way to get great birds with "true game" not the other game spoken as"game enough to play"!!! And I'm sure some will agree and some will not but do yourself better stop and think where is the abision in your life!!! Aim higher than your neighbor and watch him follow instead of lead!!!!
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[general]

[reacker kennels]

yes general thats what a meant,sometimes i cant get it all out what im tryin to say and word it for people to understand,and no thats not a pete pet dog will it was a pet, but crop its ears and you tell me what it is and ill tell ya what it is.its nat a good pic.and ill tell ya how it is breed.and some of its ansitary.
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[reacker kennels]

ps yes lads what has been said bout chactristics,proper game testin,what geane pool works with what and yes you do need to watch these things and also not keeping some real nice dog that has fancy coulours,and isnt game in other words kennel blinded just cuz you like colour and witch way it stands on a chain.
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[JonLynch]

Reaker Kennels.
You have stepped in it again. You speak of Gameness yet offer things as Eye Color and facial markings as to describe a bloodline. Whom might I ask is kennel Blind... No offence to you or any one who feels the same but A dog breeds in percentages and if the offspring of said litter is not tested then you do not have your % all down and therefore are lying to yourself about the breeding. Take for example Ken Allens Double Grand CH. Tornado, a really awsome gyp and one that only comes in a lifetime but she didnt produce anything that was even close to her ABILITY. OK lets look at the difference in Garrets CH Jeep and Adams GrCH Zebo as they are close to the top of highest producing males on th Register Of Merit lists... Jeep whom produced many great dogs was only bred a few times to get the points needed to make the ROM top producing male. Zebo on the other hand had to be bred a whole lot to even get the title of ROM. So whom would you rather have bred to given the chance? A game Producing dog, or dog who just showed alot of mouth...
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[Giang Chau]

Game is game .... Either game or not. So none can be gamer than another.... If shown it lost game then it was skilled possibly but not game. Jon I agree just game in breeding is not enough but needed. A game animal plus great producing qualities combined must exist. Gameness is first and formost then skill worked into your line through breeding is in my opinion of what should be done. Through proper linebreeding then comes conformity. Hense comes usually a color that bases your line. Eli blood for example comes in two colors cause no other blood usually come in mr b's line. Same for birds a friend of mine can tell his birds apart from any counterfit saying otherwise, but only cause of propper and careful breeding and there confirmed but in past was propperly tested.
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[Stormer]

[USAGANOI]

go to the "clashes of the masters" forum and check out those ganoi dons. so how tough they are but at the end the run in rounds 9-12 or so. thats consider game. try sparring your birds that long, you will see any bird has a breaking point. wash between rounds and play them like pit games. in this sport, there is winners and losers. if every bird is dead game, no one would win. it would be draws after draws. LOL

cock fighting countries like vietnam, thailand, and pakistan all try to do what everyone here is trying to do and everyone has probably had the same discussion and bred these birds for 30 to 40 years, but still there is winners and losers. birds will run at the breaking point.

at the end of the day, i always said, bring the birds to your pit to see the competition.

[Giang Chau]

USAganoi just cause two are true game doesn't mean it'll go tie. After game then come skill. The better fowl will prevail. As I said before I'm sure to say again everyones opinion will differ on this discussion. This statement was just my opinion also but your entitled to yours. I just hold my standards on fowl as high as I hold for myself.... Proudly!!!
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[USAGANOI]

i agree, but birds only can be game to certain point. that is my meaning.

[Giang Chau]

May I ask .... What do you consider that point?
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[USAGANOI]

best way is to watch the movies on the "clash of the masters forum" watch the end of the clips. you will see.

or go to your local pit. watch when the other bird lose.

[Giang Chau]

Let me end this by explaing how I get my assesment.... What u consider max game is what consider game... Everything else is by what you describe a personal assesment and to me I will not down grade no wording or create any to justify what happened before my eyes. In my opinion settling for anything less than the very best is giving up. That is why I think so many run today. Scales are nice and style is great but in the end only one thing matters ... Will I stay in the mix to feel the glory of victory or become soup cause I bet a high chance that most people will do this if one runs!!
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[torogi asil]

dead game asil not always a winner, i've seen some, very game but at the very end of the fight they some how can not endure the beating and the quit so they lose, i guess everybody have seen that in a fight, am sure i did, I don't know if you guys have seen that too,,,

[Giang Chau]

Quit as on run or quit as in can no longer fight?
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"You can look all over and spend thousands to try to get better birds... When the whole time the best were already in the backyard" in so
many words from a friend
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[torogi asil]

[Giang Chau]

Well I guess people have different definitions of game, well so be it. If it goes to have to be spoken to in a manner as this, why discuss anything with anyone. I just plainly asked a simple question cause evedently I just wanted to be sure. Quitting and the inability to go on is two different things to me... Was just assesing your views on the word... Go figure!
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"You can look all over and spend thousands to try to get better birds... When the whole time the best were already in the backyard" in so
many words from a friend
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[torogi asil]

[USAGANOI]

giang chau,

one thing we do agree on is game is important thats why the asian games is a very competitive sport.

[torogi asil]

game is not that important to me, I prefer the so called " PERFORMANCE " for example I will spar my birds, I have to look which perform the best in thats what I will pick, train and keep to fight in the pit, , everybody have their own way of selecting birds for fight, how you do yours?

[general]

If ye can get both that's what the greats are made from.Dead game is dead at the end of the day.If ye get an excellant performance/style coupled with gameness that's it cornered.If ye get such an animal producing similar if not better than itself then you don't get any better and that's what everyone is striving for,perfection.

[general]

If ye can get both that's what the greats are made from.Dead game is dead at the end of the day.If ye get an excellant performance/style coupled with gameness that's it cornered.If ye get such an animal producing similar if not better than itself then you don't get any better and that's what everyone is striving for,perfection.

[Daniele]

[torogi asil]

[quote="Giang Chau"]Seems that I've seen that the definition of "game" differs from person to person. My definition of the words is simple ... Won't run or lose any faith in itself to continue on. But seems some say it's partial to the sports. If anyone feel different can they please explain.... Cause I'm confused!!! I believe in any style of play if you game the you'll stick in there to the end. Or maybe I'm just to picky? Lol[/quote]